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bogus	I cannot believe it...	#1
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	I had to replace the waterpump on my 92 today. So I decided to get clever and replace it with a 1996 style part. This is good because it removes this stupid t-connector on the upper rad hose. But... try as I might, I cannot find a single upper rad hose in my town. Hell, Autozone, Pepboys and Kragen don't even LIST IT. What happens to one of us with this design and we get stuck on the freeway with a blown one? Screwed, is the answer I suspect. Oh, NAPA shows one, but the nearest NAPA that is actually open is far... To add insult to injury, I can't find water pump gaskets, either. I am utterly speachless. The computers will show two, and they are not there. I might just have to cut them myself... If I can find material. Ugh. This is as bad as the double sided belt on the 92/93's.
	Posted on: 2008/11/16 1:58
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jsup	Re: I cannot believe it...	#2
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	Quote: bogus wrote: I had to replace the waterpump on my 92 today. So I decided to get clever and replace it with a 1996 style part. This is good because it removes this stupid t-connector on the upper rad hose. But... try as I might, I cannot find a single upper rad hose in my town. Hell, Autozone, Pepboys and Kragen don't even LIST IT. What happens to one of us with this design and we get stuck on the freeway with a blown one? Screwed, is the answer I suspect. Oh, NAPA shows one, but the nearest NAPA that is actually open is far... To add insult to injury, I can't find water pump gaskets, either. I am utterly speachless. The computers will show two, and they are not there. I might just have to cut them myself... If I can find material. Ugh. This is as bad as the double sided belt on the 92/93's. That's EXACTLY why I stuck to the L98.
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TommyT-Bone	Re: I cannot believe it...	#3
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Calm	Re: I cannot believe it...	#4
Senior Guru Vancouver, Canada 608 Posts Member since: 2007/12/27 0:00	And you're in the HEART of C4 Country.....Imagine what it's like up here in Canada! My parts guy KNOWS it's an LTx....but never fails....he's ALWAYS askin' "Thats, what? an LT5?" Finally I answered him one day "Yes it is. Can you get it?" To which he always answers "Of course not". They DO, however have every single item ever needed for a 1978 Ford F150. My only other option is go the local 'speed shop', get charged 30% more.....and constantly be told "You're leaving power on the table, you know?"
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jsup	Re: I cannot believe it...	#5
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	Quote: Calm wrote: My only other option is go the local 'speed shop', get charged 30% more.....and constantly be told "You're leaving power on the table, you know?" I think I know the guy who works there...
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bogus	Re: I cannot believe it...	#6
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	This is what I get for just "doing it." I am going to make a patch for the rad hose "T" thingy. That and a little JB Weld will go a long ways... The gasket will be home made...
	Posted on: 2008/11/16 2:21
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cuisinartvette	Re: I cannot believe it...	#7
Elite Guru 1782 Posts Member since: 2005/9/16 0:00	Discovered the LTx "special order" stuff last week. Bogus if you make it up this way tomorrow I may still have some gasket paper you can have.
	Posted on: 2008/11/16 3:04
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BrianCunningham	Re: I cannot believe it...	#8
Senior Guru Boston, MA for the most part :) 7763 Posts Member since: 2007/12/30 0:00	the local stealership had WP gaskets in stock when I went to buy some last month.
	Posted on: 2008/11/16 3:08
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1Fast04Vert	Re: I cannot believe it...	#9
Elite Guru The hills of N. Georgia 2424 Posts Member since: 2007/12/30 0:00	Guess I am lucky. Every single part I have needed has always been in stock, usually the local AutoZone, eveything from pads and rotors to hoses to the opti.
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bogus	Re: I cannot believe it...	#10
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	I am going out tonight... I think I can make it rather quickly, cause I want to hi-tack them onto the pump now, so the tack has a chance to set up. Putting these pumps on SUCKS with the gaskets moving around. Thanks, tho! I am still not sure about tomorrow... the 118 is closed at the 405, so is the 5... it's bad news. I will check roads tomorrow.
	Posted on: 2008/11/16 3:12
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Notorious	Re: I cannot believe it...	#11
Elite Guru Downbound train, NC 2184 Posts Member since: 2005/9/17 0:00	Thank goodness for NAPA. I really think they're about the last thing resembling a true parts store in existence. It's kind of ironic that the SBC that was always the engine that you could get anything for, all of the goodies were made for and cheap too. But now we LTx owners definitely have the red-headed, bastard step-child of all small block Chevys. But I'm not complaining. I've enjoyed modifying it, it runs like a mofo and it's been incredibly reliable.
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CentralCoaster	Re: I cannot believe it...	#12
Senior Guru San Diego, CA 9454 Posts Member since: 2007/10/28 0:00	Napa more often than not was the place to go when the cheaper ones failed you, but around here, 2 of the 3 napas are just plain horrible. One is the regional warehouse and has good inventory, but most of the clerks there are too stupid to find what they have in stock. At least Autozone doesn't get my hopes up. Actually the autozone within walking distance has one manager that is pretty knowledgable and babysits the others. I assume that means he'll quit as soon as something better comes along.
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bogus	Re: I cannot believe it...	#13
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	Quote: Notorious wrote: Thank goodness for NAPA. I really think they're about the last thing resembling a true parts store in existence. It's kind of ironic that the SBC that was always the engine that you could get anything for, all of the goodies were made for and cheap too. But now we LTx owners definitely have the red-headed, bastard step-child of all small block Chevys. But I'm not complaining. I've enjoyed modifying it, it runs like a mofo and it's been incredibly reliable. All the nearby NAPA's are closed on Sunday. I have to drive 20 miles to find an open one. Seriously. I do like the LT1. It's quite refined and a great engine... just don't expect much (any) aftermarket support.
	Posted on: 2008/11/16 5:28
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81c3	Re: I cannot believe it...	#14
Senior Guru Colorado 143 Posts Member since: 2007/12/21 0:00	Wow, I never had a problem with anything I needed for my 93 or 94 LT-1 engines. Auto Zone or NAPA always came through for me. I was even able to get the double sided Serp belt from Auto Zone on the spot.....
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bogus	Re: I cannot believe it...	#15
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	You got lucky... last time I checked, AZ does not even list the 2 sided belt! Ok... the gaskets are cut! They are drying on the waterpump so tomorrow I can ream out the holes and clean up the ports. I am using copper RTV to hold them to the pump. I will use hi-tack on the block. That should do it. I may still use RTV on the block side... haven't decided yet. I found a package of blockoffs. One fits pretty damned well and with a clamp will be a good stop-gap until I can get the right upper rad hose. I will call NAPA first thing Monday morning...
	Posted on: 2008/11/16 7:28
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cuisinartvette	Re: I cannot believe it...	#16
Elite Guru 1782 Posts Member since: 2005/9/16 0:00	[QUOTE]Napa more often than not was the place to go when the cheaper ones failed you, but around here, 2 of the 3 napas are just plain horrible.[/QUOTE] I was stoked when a NAPA opened up on this end of the valley a few years ago. I have been in there twice and realized I would never get anythign without a spanish to english dictionary, it was seriously that bad. Never went back.
	Posted on: 2008/11/16 7:49
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Notorious	Re: I cannot believe it...	#17
Elite Guru Downbound train, NC 2184 Posts Member since: 2005/9/17 0:00	Quote: CentralCoaster wrote: Napa more often than not was the place to go when the cheaper ones failed you, but around here, 2 of the 3 napas are just plain horrible. One is the regional warehouse and has good inventory, but most of the clerks there are too stupid to find what they have in stock. At least Autozone doesn't get my hopes up. Actually the autozone within walking distance has one manager that is pretty knowledgable and babysits the others. I assume that means he'll quit as soon as something better comes along. Yeah, certainly no parts store can be any better than their help. Some of our AZs have some good guys and some of the NAPA guys are duds. Fortunately we have plenty of NAPA stores and I have a certain one that's close and where I know the help. The main thing I prefer about NAPA is their overall parts quality. I don't think anyone touches them there.
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Schrade	Re: I cannot believe it...	#18
Elite Guru eastern NC / e-i-e-i-o 1909 Posts Member since: 2008/8/15 2:01	I got a whole roll of gasket material, minus a 3" x 6" corner for the TB/coolant passage body. Don't buy a roll - PM me. Unless you're rich tho', and cash don't matter, send me some?
	Posted on: 2008/11/16 13:56
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Schrade	Re: I cannot believe it...	#19
Elite Guru eastern NC / e-i-e-i-o 1909 Posts Member since: 2008/8/15 2:01	Quote: Notorious wrote: Thank goodness for NAPA. I really think they're about the last thing resembling a true parts store in existence. It's kind of ironic that the SBC that was always the engine that you could get anything for, all of the goodies were made for and cheap too. But now we LTx owners definitely have the red-headed, bastard step-child of all small block Chevys. But I'm not complaining. I've enjoyed modifying it, it runs like a mofo and it's been incredibly reliable. They almost can't GIVE away LT1's... When I thought I was lookin' at pullin' mine, I checked on puttin' in a new anything. Doug Henry Chevy said LS1 $5300 installed. I'll consider that. How 'bout LT1? $3300 IN. Motor was ONLY $1900. New. Then I found that shaky spark plug wire...
	Posted on: 2008/11/16 14:08
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tjpreul	Re: I cannot believe it...	#20
Elite Guru Columbia, MO 1103 Posts Member since: 2008/9/16 18:12	I had been looking forward to a car cruise back in October. A few hours before I was to leave I lifted the hood, and there was a 2" split in the outer jacket of the "T" to radiator hose. I checked with Napa, O'Reilly's, Autozone, Carquest, and three local dealerships. Not in stock, but on the way home there is a small parts house. They had two in stock, $8 each. Ten minutes to change it, and I was on my way.
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Matatk	Re: I cannot believe it...	#21
Webmaster SW Chicago Burbs 22805 Posts Member since: 2008/1/7 0:00	Are there any differences between the pumps besides the radiator hose fitting? IE like the optis that have different dowel pins, timing cases, etc? Matthew
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Josh	Re: I cannot believe it...	#22
Guru Raleigh, NC 666 Posts Member since: 2008/1/1 0:00	Car Quest man, Car Quest. Most of their parts are OE parts, and they can usually come up with the part in a couple hours if they don't have it in stock.
	Posted on: 2008/11/16 16:16
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BillH	Re: I cannot believe it...	#23
The Stig Moderator Reno 22702 Posts Member since: 2007/12/25 0:00	Quote: bogus wrote: I had to replace the waterpump on my 92 today. What happens to one of us with this design and we get stuck on the freeway with a blown one? Screwed, is the answer I suspect. This is as bad as the double sided belt on the 92/93's. I've been carrying self sealing tape in my cars for 20 years, the company I worked for invented it. It works really well. They have it in stores as emergency hose repair kits now, at least it'll get you to a water source. LT1's? Yea, well we're stuck with them. But I still like them. I've been using The Right Stuff with no gaskets lately, no problems. I switched out the double sided belt because of the supply. I do have a good used double sided tensioner and belt, and a new tensioner and belt for sale if anyone's interested.
	Posted on: 2008/11/16 16:28
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bogus	Re: I cannot believe it...	#24
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	Quote: Josh wrote: Car Quest man, Car Quest. Most of their parts are OE parts, and they can usually come up with the part in a couple hours if they don't have it in stock. Forgot about them... but the nearest is still 20 miles away!
	Posted on: 2008/11/16 16:40
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CentralCoaster	Re: I cannot believe it...	#25
Senior Guru San Diego, CA 9454 Posts Member since: 2007/10/28 0:00	Plus they've got no online catalog. So you can't avoid the sticker shock when you go in the store, and have to call to check inventory.
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BrianCunningham	Re: I cannot believe it...	#26
Senior Guru Boston, MA for the most part :) 7763 Posts Member since: 2007/12/30 0:00	Quote: Matatk wrote: Are there any differences between the pumps besides the radiator hose fitting? IE like the optis that have different dowel pins, timing cases, etc? Matthew This explains most of the differences http://www.enginebuildermag.com/Artic ... _chevrolet_lt1_enige.aspx
	Posted on: 2008/11/16 19:00
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bogus	Re: I cannot believe it...	#27
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	I am now a full fledged member of the Dumbass Club. In fact, I may even be in the running for President of the Dumbass Club. I did everything..... and forgot to put the $#%@*() coupler on. All that work and no waterpump drive. I get to do it all over tomorrow after work.
	Posted on: 2008/11/17 3:45
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Schrade	Re: I cannot believe it...	#28
Elite Guru eastern NC / e-i-e-i-o 1909 Posts Member since: 2008/8/15 2:01	Are my heads aluminum or iron? http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-te ... placement-a-few-pics.html I can't see my pics since I'm banned, and I ain't goin' outside right now ...
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bogus	Re: I cannot believe it...	#29
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	I am banned, too... can't see'm. I will fix this tomorrow. I am hoping that my home made gaskets are ok.
	Posted on: 2008/11/17 4:10
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Josh	Re: I cannot believe it...	#30
Guru Raleigh, NC 666 Posts Member since: 2008/1/1 0:00	I'm in that club, lol. I did the exact same thing on the 92 corvette I had back in the 02-03 time frame.
	Posted on: 2008/11/17 4:54
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Schrade	Re: I cannot believe it...	#31
Elite Guru eastern NC / e-i-e-i-o 1909 Posts Member since: 2008/8/15 2:01	Quote: bogus wrote: I am now a full fledged member of the Dumbass Club. In fact, I may even be in the running for President of the Dumbass Club. I did everything..... and forgot to put the $#%@*() coupler on. All that work and no waterpump drive. I get to do it all over tomorrow after work. Ohmigosh. That's a stinker. Sounds like a vacuum-sealed cranium. I can see it already - put all the sockets back, wrenches off the plenum, pliers screwdrivers off the fan shield, start to pour the coolant in the filler HUH WHAT'S THIS ON THE GROOVE IN THE FILLER TANK? aaaaarrrrrrrgggggggg. That's a REAL stinker uh huh. I had a problem with my coupler too. Too much grease on each shaft, and a little in the coupler for good measure, and guess what wouldn't 'squeeze out', and let the pump drive go in??? A clue - it wasn't the MAF connector nope. I pulled it, trying to not contaminate the gaskets, removed some grease, and tried again. Same no-go. Tried driving with the bolts a little at a time, and heard a pop, which did NOT sound like a grease fart, and decided to do it again, before I broke more stuff. That was a stinker yup.
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TommyT-Bone	Re: I cannot believe it...	#32
Chair-man of the bored Homestead USA 33766 Posts Member since: 2007/12/10 0:00	You guys are killing me. You know how to make a certified dumb ass feel a lot better.
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bogus	Re: I cannot believe it...	#33
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	It is painful... now I have to do it all over again... I hate doing stuff twice...
	Posted on: 2008/11/17 15:07
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cuisinartvette	Re: I cannot believe it...	#34
Elite Guru 1782 Posts Member since: 2005/9/16 0:00	That blows, btdt. Almost pulled Andrews intake off because we couldnt find the towel we had in the lifter valley when it was apart, we were just about to fire it up.. As the tools came back out and internally getting pissed off at the potential f.u. noticed it laying behind the front tire...whew.
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BrianCunningham	Re: I cannot believe it...	#35
Senior Guru Boston, MA for the most part :) 7763 Posts Member since: 2007/12/30 0:00	Quote: bogus wrote: I am banned, too... can't see'm. I will fix this tomorrow. I am hoping that my home made gaskets are ok. Even with a cookie delete?
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CentralCoaster	Re: I cannot believe it...	#36
Senior Guru San Diego, CA 9454 Posts Member since: 2007/10/28 0:00	Quote: bogus wrote: I am banned, too... can't see'm. I will fix this tomorrow. I am hoping that my home made gaskets are ok. Try this link first: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/login.php?do=logout&u=33821
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Schrade	Re: I cannot believe it...	#37
Elite Guru eastern NC / e-i-e-i-o 1909 Posts Member since: 2008/8/15 2:01	Quote: CentralCoaster wrote: Quote: bogus wrote: I am banned, too... can't see'm. I will fix this tomorrow. I am hoping that my home made gaskets are ok. Try this link first: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/login.php?do=logout&u=33821 I got my cookies out, and I can view my junk, but ya' gotta' be a member to view pics uploaded to their server. Either that, or create a 3rd account since bannage, and I aint interested in that - I just wanna' see my pics and link to 'em. (and delete my h/l pics hehehe )
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bogus	Re: I cannot believe it...	#38
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	Attachments require logging in. The pump has been fixed! It actually works and there is no leaking! Temps have stayed in the 195 range so far...
	Posted on: 2008/11/18 5:11
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