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RE:Official "Bitch about gas prices" thread!!!
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why is it nawt evin been brought up in these presidenta debates?? now i r 1st to addmit i dont pay much attetion to debates ...but nuff to notice gas prices never comes up ...just insurance...fug brut 600...im glad im 3miles one way...my biggest bitch is 20 bucks to fill any of ol hogs n just few yrs ago was 6...cant afford a leisure putt anymo...biggets steamer i have is then the gas people brag of record earnins ..the fuggan crooks...they took the katreni mess n have robbed us from there on

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You guys have nothing to complain about. Gas is $8.06 over here. It costs just over $100 to fill up my corolla!

yeah you are right..that really does suck!!! I don't feel too bad now.

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RE:Easiest way to disable air bag on 93 Vette
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25 bucks is pretty darn cheap. I am going to change the electrical tape out with vulcanized rubber eltrical tape today. The electricians here at work said this is a tougher material and will hold up better than electrical. If I could cut it and put heat shrink I would. But it was just a nick.

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RE:Easiest way to disable air bag on 93 Vette
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I guess the "easiest" way to disable it would be to run into the back of something. Close your eyes when you do

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You guys have nothing to complain about. Gas is $8.06 over here. It costs just over $100 to fill up my corolla!

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RE:Will a stopped up cat kill a car?
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Recently had a similar experience but my problem was injectors, then cap, rotor, wires, then one of the wires on 6 kept frying to the exhaust manifold. It's finally running great now. If you trust your mechanic, thats half the battle. Now, just isolating the problem/solution. Your getting closer.



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I fired him, hired another. But was having misses on #3 and #8

We'll see....
Keep your fingers crossed!!! I'm ready for my Little Miss to come back home....

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RE:Will a stopped up cat kill a car?
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Recently had a similar experience but my problem was injectors, then cap, rotor, wires, then one of the wires on 6 kept frying to the exhaust manifold. It's finally running great now. If you trust your mechanic, thats half the battle. Now, just isolating the problem/solution. Your getting closer.

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RE:Easiest way to disable air bag on 93 Vette
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I did the best repair on the wire I could. It was very good electrical tape from my shop. But, just to disable it till I am confident its repaired, via checking it periodically , would be nice. Why doesnt the fuse do anything?
The kit GM sells is nice, but a 100 bucks, and not my 1993 single air bag year.


I recently picked up a sensor for my 90 (single year) on the pre-owned market. Haven't changed it out yet but it's in the works. Cost me $25 + shipping. It should be O.K. though if it is as minor as you said.

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RE:Will a stopped up cat kill a car?
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Ok, maybe I'm finally getting someplace..... fuel pump, 02 sensor and ignition module along with

This thingie.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LT1-Opti ... dZViewItem

Chevy place wants $200 for this thing, as you can see here...wwaaayyyy lesss.....


Maybe I"m finally getting somewhere.


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Anyone read TPIS' positive results by setting preload at TWO FULL TURNS FROM ZERO?

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Got a link? or reference?

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RE:Its about respect
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R-E-S-P-E-C-T

What you want
Baby I got
What you need
Do you know I got it
All I'm askin'
Is for a little respect when you come home (just a little bit)
Hey baby (just a little bit) when you get home
(just a little bit) mister (just a little bit)

I ain't gonna do you no wrong while your gone
Aint gonna do you no wrong (oo) cause I don't wanna (oo)
All I'm askin (oo)
Is for a little respect when you come home (just a little bit)
Baby (just a little bit) when you get home (just a little bit)
Yeah (just a little bit)

R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Find out what it means to me
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
take care, TCB (or in this case JRC)

Oh (sock it to me, sock it to me, sock it to me, sock it to me)

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I did the best repair on the wire I could. It was very good electrical tape from my shop. But, just to disable it till I am confident its repaired, via checking it periodically , would be nice. Why doesnt the fuse do anything?
The kit GM sells is nice, but a 100 bucks, and not my 1993 single air bag year.

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Kevin: Don't feel bad. I am on some cold pills trying to shake this damn bug that I caught. Half the time I can't even remember my own name :tongue:

Tim: Hope the weather holds up for your trip. Looking nice outside right now

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RE:!/2 Turn or 1/4 Turn?
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Anyone read TPIS' positive results by setting preload at TWO FULL TURNS FROM ZERO?

Jake

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To me "settled" is when all the temps, pressures and idle become predictable and consistent. No code, no leaks and no flucuations from day to day.

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dude, you flunked typing 101. No part number in your post! :sign6:


I think's my pain pill's must have kicked in at that time but all fixed now


Kevin, youre still on the pills? You should send them to me, I will "dispose" of them for you

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RE:Easiest way to disable air bag on 93 Vette
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I don't mind airbags... they do a great job.

Personally, I would fix the broken wire... but that's me.


Then there is always a liability issue if you ever sold and someone got killed or maimed. Not to mention it's maybe just a teensee weensee bit illegal.

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I had a similar problem when I built my 388. The stock covers wouldn't drop all the way down to the head due to poly-lock clearance. Locks were too tall.

I tried shorter poly locks and even clearancing the inside of the cover but still not enough clearance.

So I went with ProForm 1/4" taller covers from Summit; black krinkle with red CHEVROLT logo. The passenger side dropped down all the way and buttoned up fine, but not the driver's side; the alternator became the obstable.

So I used a Sharpie and marked the area on the alternator where the cover hit, removed the alternator and, using a grinder, ground off the offending area. That's all it took.

I first masked off all the openings in the alternator so no aluminum chips would get inside.

Jake

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RE:Rear Main seals
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I'm saving this one... may do mine this week, or may say to hell with it and put it off until I do the whole motor.

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RE:How to jack, from rear.
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drop t showed a pic of the one he has...(in tech under oh fug i fergit) anyways a simple I beam 4"tall 4"wide n trim top off to bout 2" wide will be same thing...myself i welded 2 c beam pieces making my I ... but beware as said in the other tech thread...theres a peice of tin between some of the pipes...n yeup you guesed it...my ol girls one of em...so my neat lil free homeade jobber wont werk.. . yet!!! i have a thin spot in both pipes there so when repair ill use straps in stead of thin tin to hold pipes

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RE:Can I rant for a moment.......
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The plenum is basically your constant pressure air source that isolates the throttling inlet from the tuned intake runners. It has to be a certain size to prevent the ports from effecting the pressure at nearby ports, and also to stall the air coming in. Go larger than that and you gain basically nothing. It would also probably depend on the location and orientation of the ports.

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RE:Any relief from these FRICKIN' Catalytic Converter Brackets?
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PB blaster and a little heat. Propane torch, nothing too hot. Just don't blow yourself up.

Can you get an impact wrench up there? Even with an extension.

I pulled some pretty rusted bolts off my boat trailer with an impact wrench.


A torch would burn all the wiring up. I doubt a torch would be needed anyway. They are not corroded or rusted.

I'll take some photos later tonight. From what Bogus has said, the brackets must be loosened from the block. this will assist in giving me more room to move the exhaust around.

Bogus - did you fully remove the CatBack before trying to remove the bolts securing the cats?

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hit the bolts with some PB Blaster. I never had a problem removing those brackets...


they have been soaking in PB blaster. Its not that they would be hard to remove, it's just that I don't have alien fingers or hands to get my wrench or other noodle tool up in there. I bet they'd be easy to remove with no car around the engine too!

You should bring your skinny little fingers over here! I'm getting ready to heave this thing out the door.

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RE:Official "Bitch about gas prices" thread!!!
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I drive 40K + miles per year, I totaled last year and it cost me $5894 to drive 40k miles.

I cant take much more of this,,, the price that everyone pays for goods is gonna climb

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RE:Easiest way to disable air bag on 93 Vette
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Airbags make me nervous!

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RE:Its about respect
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Well said bro!

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dude, you flunked typing 101. No part number in your post! :sign6:


I think's my pain pill's must have kicked in at that time but all fixed now

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RE:Can I rant for a moment.......
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jsup, one would have to go to school for while to understand Fluid Dynamics. Flow, Conductance etc.

I went to School for that, I got a degree in Physics AND I almost have earned the title of Physicist in Vacuum Technology.

I would have to spend a few hours calculating out the conductance on all of the Engines internal parts to say if this head or that head is better. The smallest or lowest orifice will dictate the CFM for the rest of the entire system....and that is a law of physics one cannot argue.

Secondly, anyone wonder whats the use of a Plenum? Why different sizes would make any difference at all? Fluid Dynamics are a very fascinating thing when dealing in Vacuum and Flow.

I'm with you, There are a Ton of different ways one can get to a reasonable solution.

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PB blaster and a little heat. Propane torch, nothing too hot. Just don't blow yourself up.

Can you get an impact wrench up there? Even with an extension.

I pulled some pretty rusted bolts off my boat trailer with an impact wrench.

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I don't mind airbags... they do a great job.

Personally, I would fix the broken wire... but that's me.

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I think you did exactly what you should have done. You pointed out that there are other options that will work better for the OP's situation and he acknowledged it, so I think your mission is complete.

BTW -- I sent the OP a PM backing you up and I suggested he seriously consider your advice.


It became sport after that. :thumbright:

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All the BS, all the arguing.....
Life has been good here because we are comfortable with each other. Once that comfort is disrupted, the crap starts again.

When a noob comes on and forgets this rule, poop flys!

When someone dis's a helpful post, same response.


All that we need to remember is to show some respect for our fellow man.

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hit the bolts with some PB Blaster. I never had a problem removing those brackets...

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One of the benefits of owning an early C4.

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unplug it and remove the bulbs from the DIC.

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Jsup:

I think you did exactly what you should have done. You pointed out that there are other options that will work better for the OP's situation and he acknowledged it, so I think your mission is complete.

BTW -- I sent the OP a PM backing you up and I suggested he seriously consider your advice.

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Good to see that we are still climbing!

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Maybe we need to come up with a C3 buyer's guide.

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My only other idea would be for you to remove the IAC and IAC housing and make a flat piece of metal plate to replace it. You might be able to tune the car to not need an IAC at all. Do some research on that if it would give you the clearance needed, I've seen threads on CF about that. Most of those members are probably here now.

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Autozone and Advance carry them, about $60.00 for a set.

Is that true? thank you for telling us. I hadn't tackled that issue just yet as I thought it would be more of a hassle and cost more.

This is a quick, easy and inexpensive job for this weekend...thanks.



Here's Advance Auto parts page.

I've ordered clutch cylinders from them, and it took 5 days to get to Wi. From Ga.

I've also bought the Strong Arm brand struts 2 years ago for my Blazer, still working good.
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductLi ... ?PartType=565&PTSet=A

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I have a stock TPI thermo housing, they are squashed down pretty far and don't require a ton of clearance. They actually taper a little from back to front to allow even more clearance. I didn't use it because the bolt holes on the HSR intake were in a different location so it made the stock thermo housing point towards the passenger side front but the radiator has the stem on the drivers side front. It is a little rusty but could be cleaned and painted. If you think it would work for you send me your address and I'll send it to you. I have no clue if a TPI thermo housing will fit a BB intake or not, but if you happen to know or want to try it pm me your shipping address.

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I think this thread needs to die now. It has came full circle. JeffVette knows what he did wrong, he respects the mods for stepping up and explaining. The mods have explained and have apologized for not sending a PM instantly when the deletion took place. The mods here do care about what we think, otherwise bannings would have taken place and the discussion would have stopped on about post 4 or so of this thread. Everyone here knows what crossing the line is, and they know that the line on this forum is much harder to cross than on any other forum, and that punishment for crossing said line is minimal, if any. I respect the fact that the mods are busy. Nobody can do this full time. I think this forum is rolling along perfectly and I appreciate the fact that the mods and admins listen to the members and give the members every chance in the world to express themselves, as long as they do it even remotely appropriately. I think the members here are great, I also think they are willing to learn from their mistakes. I think the mods know that and that is why bannings don't happen here. Everyone has learned from this experience, now lets move on.

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Yea, what Bogus said. You can also use WD40 on the inside of the pan, they don't call it Water Displacement 40 for nothing. Spray it on a rag and wipe to keep it off the outside.

I use the "warming up the paint in the sink" technique all the time. 2-3 light coats with ample drying time are better that 1 heavy coat.

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"I don't know how much room you need but doing what I said above gave me alot of room I didn't have. My TB is an '89, not sure of the differences year to year. By removing the little torx bolts you can take the housing off and see exactly what can be removed. Easy to see once you look at the inside of the housing under there."

I am putting this on a BB C3 and the ptoblem I have is that the thermostat housing is pretty much dead center on the BB manifold (the C4 is to the side). So that means my IAC port interferes with the thermostat housing. I don't really have any clearance issues with the reast of the IAC plate. That seems to be the way this project is going, everything in the same place at the same time

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Yes, by lagging I basically meant not refreshing fast enough. With the TPI it seemed to keep up pretty good, usually was at 5000 or 5100 when it shifted 1-2 and always 5000 on the nose for the 2-3 shift (automatic). With the TPI and spraying a 150 shot it still was 5000 for the 2-3 but it pulled hard enough that it would sometimes show like 4700 then shift 1-2 but I know in reality it was about the same rpm as not spraying. Now with the new combo (and the governor is changed) I have seen it show 5100, then shift 1-2, then show 5900 then quickly drop. It actually gave a reading AFTER the shift. It is so slow refreshing that the shift happened before the display. The 2-3 shift always shows 5800 or 5900 now. That is why I am going to datalog to see where it is shifting but I have no need for a tach or shift light in the car because I want to set it up to shift automatically and let it do so even at the track. If I had a stick I would probably steal your idea and do that shift light. I'm trying to keep my interior stock looking (sans the subwoofer and 15lb nitrous bottle in the back). I really don't want a tach or any aftermarket gauges in there. My car is a car that the wifey and I use to go out in once or twice a week, drag racing for me is just a side effect of having the perfect cruiser with the ability to run hard.

Posted on: 2008/2/26 16:36
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´89 Vert, 383, 230/236 cam, AFR 195's, LT Headers, HSR intake, 2800 stall, Zex 200 shot, ET Street Radials, tune by me. Runs were with D36 3.07's.
On spray, 10.55 @ 132.78, 1.55 60 ft.
On motor, 12.08 @ 113.15, 1.66 60 ft.
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RE:open wheeled racing reunification
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Watching Wind Tunnel the other night, the wife says "that guy looks like a prick". No honey thats tonygeorge, the guy that single handedly defamed Indy car racing.


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RE:Water pump question
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If you know the pump is good, then the only thing I can think of that would not allow water to come out the top hose is the the pump inlet is not getting any water.

Either an air lock, or some type of blockage in the lower hose.


I'm assuming the pump is good. Bearing runs nice and smooth, no play at all, pump turns easily, impeller looks good. Held the impeller and tried to turn the pulley to see if the impeller was slipping on the shaft, not slipping at all.

There are no blockages anywhere, so seems like air lock is the answer. I just have one question about that. If the radiator was full but the bottom hose had air in it, wouldn't the pump pull the water out of the radiator??

Thanks for the help.

Posted on: 2008/2/26 16:20
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Open air box, K & N, Throttle body bypass, Air Foil, AFPR. Brodix heads, Harland Sharp 1.6 roller rockers, Lingenfelter cam, Superram, 2800 stall torque converter, 3:54 rear, Melrose exhaust system, long tube headers, 3" high flow cats, LT1 mufflers.
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RE:Can the IAC on a TPI be relocated?
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I don't know how much room you need but doing what I said above gave me alot of room I didn't have. My TB is an '89, not sure of the differences year to year. By removing the little torx bolts you can take the housing off and see exactly what can be removed. Easy to see once you look at the inside of the housing under there.

Posted on: 2008/2/26 16:19
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´89 Vert, 383, 230/236 cam, AFR 195's, LT Headers, HSR intake, 2800 stall, Zex 200 shot, ET Street Radials, tune by me. Runs were with D36 3.07's.
On spray, 10.55 @ 132.78, 1.55 60 ft.
On motor, 12.08 @ 113.15, 1.66 60 ft.
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